Let the record show that the news media cannot be trusted with our story.
the trailer looks good because it was edited.
How many Good trailers have you seen for crappy movies.
This show means nothing if you are going to continue to spend more time dealing with salacious prom dresses and 7 year old badasses who steal grammas SUV than you do with missing black women and children.
its like the make up sex in an abusive relationship.
Changeseeker
· 1 year ago
I hate to say it, but I'm as suspicious as Inkognegro. The first thing I noticed: they split the shows into "the Black man" and "the Black woman and family" (the Black man apparently not being a part of the Black family -- WTF?!) This is a bad beginning for me. And while the list for the first segment isn't TOO bad, the list of "experts" for the second segment includes T.D. Jakes, Russell Simmons, and Vanessa Williams. Uh...I'm less than impressed. Sometimes that means that what many might consider more cutting edge and better possible interviewees opted out. Also -- not that it's always a failsafe predicter -- I wonder how many African-Americans were involved in the drafting, writing, and production of this series.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Inkognegro and Changeseeker, you guys are so observant. Your comments always make me think. Talk about a frame! As a former journalist, I'm always rooting for programs on race to get it right. I walk in giving benefit of the doubt. Now I DOUBT there was significant diversity in putting the show together... as I believe most of CNN's senior news management is white. However, it all comes down to how much the producers LISTENED to what the program's participants told them. I am still hopeful and will be watching with great interest.
Andre
· 1 year ago
Carm,
I'm a little torn with this CNN segment. On the one hand, perhaps it should be viewed as a good sign that the MSM is opening itself up to the discussion of being black in America. Still (evidenced by some of what I saw in this clip), I suspect that this series will merely set the stage for a bunch of anecdotal "I can't catch a cab in New York" stuff which white people tend to casually dismiss; analogous to the "squeaky wheel". At best, this segment will cause people to examine race relations as they view it. But the minute the show is over (or viewers decide to change the channel to Flavor of Love or some mess), the dialogue stops.
As I always maintain, the mainstream's role in having discussions about race should not be limited to "listening" to people's tales of racial woe; though listening is no doubt important. But you and I can discuss racism until our tongues fall out without leaving so much as a dent on the psyche of most white Americans. Where the MSM can be most effective with their reporting is by engaging in tough and hard-hitting discussions about the privileges associated with being white. That's where the real attention should be focused.
The Sauda Voice
· 1 year ago
OK, add another to the "I think it's a little suspect" roll. It's a great idea, but I don't trust the MSM, especially the MSM of late, to do a fair and accurate depiction of our experience. I guess I'll just hold my breath until I see it for myself and then pass judgment. Until then, I'm suspicious. I hope my suspicions prove unfounded.
Not holding out hope. NBC did the same thing last fall "African American Women, Where they Stand" or as I like to call it "Black Women It Sucks To Be You"
MarilynJean
· 1 year ago
Changeseeker said it best. I'm immediately turned off by the segmenting of genders and then the placement of The Black Family with The Black Woman.
Darius
· 1 year ago
Can we be honest? This country was born and bred from a racists standpoint. It's not like the Europeans that came here were great people. Most of them criminals with criminal minds. They were poor, uneducated, desperate and they would do anything to be on top. Well, has that changed today? No. Jealousy is what it is. This CNN segment is still yet another extension of a perverse birth. Racism will NEVER DIE. Not so long as white folks are jealous of what black people posess. Not so long as they are jealous of our souls, minds, and bodies. But inside, whites love us and hate themselves for it. You don't try to hold a particualar race down unless you already know they are superior.
Jacquelyn
· 1 year ago
While I don't think this is going to be a monumental event, it is worth watching and taking note. Rome was not built in a day. Stop asking yourself what others are doing to fix this problem and start asking yourself what can you do? Where can you be instrumental? How about starting a race relations group? Or a race relations book club? Invite people from all nations and talk about what can be done. Where can small changes equal big results.
These shows may not produce any colossal returns, but at least it shows that they are doing something. So, watch, discuss, and then find ways to further the cause.
God Bless You ALL.
Jacquelyn
· 1 year ago
Oh one more thing. Darius, it is just that kind of attitude that keeps the divide so great. Racism may never die, but it can always be reduced. And LOVE is the key. Love your neighbor as yourself. Faith, love, and hope. And the greatest of these is love. And I mean LOVE ON BOTH SIDES. It's the only way.
Ira
· 1 year ago
I am one of the black women that is part of this segment. I was real and my situation won't stay this way for long. I do believe some things that were said needed to be said out loud while the world listened.
We do live in a world of color and that's what we tend to focus on. Yes, there will always be racism but I'm hoping that I said something to touch someone's heart to change. We all need to do our part to make a change and if there is no change keep trying.
I also don't feel that this is just for white America. It's for those dads that walk out on their kids and leave the mother to raise a man or in my case 3 men. I can only teach them so much and hope what I tell them sticks. I thank God because my oldest just graduated and off to the Navy...his choice. Not all parents have the support that I have.
I am anxious to see how everything turned out and what others had to say in this segment. So, my word to each and everyone that lays eyes on this is to put God first and you cannot loose.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Greetings Jacquelyn, welcome to the conversation. Right now, I am with you. I really want to do my part to heal the racial tears in our American fabric. Maybe it's just a thread or two, but I do what I can. Thank you for reading and your comments.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Greetings, Darius. Welcome to the conversation. I was understanding you until you went to the "jealous" accusation. I don't understand what you mean. And specifically: who is jealous? Of what aspects of black bodies or minds? Although given the diversity in the black community in 2008, I don't see how you can make such generalizations in any way.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Hi Ira. Welcome to the conversation. I look forward to seeing you on the show. As I was raised by my mom and grandmother, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about your life as a single parent. Wishing you and your boys strength and blessings!
Matthew
· 1 year ago
This is just another American bedtime story. When black people wake up and see no other black man who was pro black. Not in a sense of hate or discrimination, but the sense that our interest are considered and upheld. We live in a white supremecy in America. So many whites don't have to be openly racist, because after years of black blood and sweat into this country, whites domination, manipulation, and interest are what this country is built on. Being black and satisfied with monetary crumbs of success, but no real control, we fall under this spell. Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, and Dr. King (names many fear because of the reverse hate syndrum) are not hear, but notably died on their feet. So this is another episode to fall into this con game that out nearly 30 million negros, one negro hear and their who can't speak for the masses is a sign of change in their country.
Courtney
· 1 year ago
I will be watching the shows...and then I want to come back to this and see what everyone's opinion of the show.
It's really the title of the program that bothers me most "Black in America." It seems to be racist, there would be complete outrage in the African American community if whites made a segment and titled it "White in America." This is absolutely one-sided and completely wrong. This only further divides the races and helps nothing. The material of the show is a different story, I just think the title is inappropriate and would cause a huge problem had it been the other way around. ANYONE can be a racist, and it's time to bring that to light.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Hello Annoyed, welcome to the conversation. If you watch television with any regularity you will see that most of the programs are already 'White in America' by default. What in the world is RACIST about chronicling the particular challenges many black Americans face living in a predominately white affirming culture?
I have two sincere questions for you Annoyed, what would your preferred title be for this series? And how do you define "racism" specifically?
Sharon
· 1 year ago
Here's a thought...why don't we try watching this series before we condemn it? Just a thought.
fcg#p
· 1 year ago
come on sharon.. thats no fun!
Joe
· 1 year ago
"If you watch television with any regularity you will see that most of the programs are already ‘White in America’ by default"
Hogwash -- America's TV programs are hyper-diversified as it is. Only 1.6 of every 10 people you see on TV should be black -- that is if equality of representation is actually what the black community wants.
For representing only 16% of the population of America, the African American Community sure knows how to make a scene.
Celebrate your history, but don't expect a member of your community to be the star of every show... frankly CNN might as well be BET these days. Take at look at the over-representation of African American anchors -- and of course, the ever present whiney view points of Roland Martin.
American Blacks have plateaued as a people, 85% up the mountain – America took away, then gave back that 85%, the rest is completely up to you.
Joe
· 1 year ago
I need to corrent my self here -- I just went to cnn.com and looked through all the anchors.
Most are definetley white.
Why do I feel like I am allways seeing african americans on CNN then??
Maybe I need to look at that question myself.
ACL
· 1 year ago
Changeseeker, points out a profound point: WHY THE SPLIT BETWEEN “the Black man” and “the Black woman and family”. This intentionally or unintentionally sends out a POWERFUL IMPRESSION that the role of the father is of little significance and importance. Yet, the lack of fathers in the U.S's black culture (American & Hispanic) is a MAJOR contributor to the crisis so many thousands of children are suffering from as a result. "Hollyweird" and the news media deliberately continue to downgrade the image of fathers. How many tv shows today depict the male head of a household (black or white) as a bufoonish, mentally weak man with a wife or girlfriend that does the thinking for him? People, that's not by accident. Our children quickly pick up on this, sad to say. The good black or hispanic man is seldom recognized today by the media, plain and simple.
(the Black man apparently not being a part of the Black family — WTF?!)
dbrowsers
· 1 year ago
What This Black Man Thinks! Why should Obama choose anyone else but a Black Man for Vice President? White men have had their day and they screwed the world over. It is time for someone other than them to rule. Somewhere I read, that, ” the first shall be last and the last shall be first.” If Obama cannot see the forest for the trees, then who will lead us out of this economic bondage? We know that Jehovah’s Kingdom is near, but there is time to kill until then! What do we do, put our trust in Obama and hope that he can persuade his IVY LEAGUE COLLEAGUES to open up fair access to capital & credit? Do we ask Obama to visit all of the prisons and give a speech on responsibility to the brothers incarcerated? Will he chastise the NAZI’S who run America’s law enforcement agencies? What can he really do? I think Obama knows that his limitations on helping us will keep us fully from enjoying the American Dream, so he has to show White America that he is somehow different than your average brother in the soup kitchen or unemployment line. As quiet as it has been kept, many brothers with P.H.D.’s and Master’s degrees have found themselves in dire straits from time to time, due to no fault of their own. Come to think of it, did Obama ever earn six or seven figures while working as a lawyer before he engaged himself in the political arena? America has uplifted the Black Woman after she proved that she was worthy. She has earned more higher degrees in America’s Universities and Colleges than any race in the last 15 years. And now the sinister forces are stealing what she has earned with mortgage fraud. Yet, the brothers are left holding a bag of crumbs and many are well educated with knowledge to spare! Will Obama have the courage and “audacity” to touch this issue with a microscope? Or, will he put his nose in the air and pass us by on the street like the Crips do the Bloods? His speech at the NAACP included another quip to us poor black men, how we should own up. Ok then, let the cash flow from Congress into our hands if he is elected. Sign the blank check that Martin said was owed to us. And do it “by any means necessary”. Otherwise, Obama’s yakety yak is exactly that! Didn’t the slaves bring down Rome?
Crystal
· 1 year ago
I have mix feels about this speacil, I'am glad that bring some light the problems in black community, but I wish they add more to the speacil like our history (when arrived in this nation) and how that has play apart in the black community. I don'think alot youth know their history just know about MJ and like watch too much rap videos. That another thing the speacil should bring up how as media and this hip-hop music has destory our youth. For example, it shows how black woman as sex objects too much and shows black man you want easy money join up with hip-hop world you'll be a million in few months just talk drugs, sex, money alot in your music.
J'Darius Thompson
· 1 year ago
I am black. I hate terms like "Black in America". I am simply an American. I have encountered no "racism" like many perceive (Unless I'm stuck in some small village of no importance up North). A'holes sure, but they are all colors. I live in Little Rock, Arkansas, and yet I am never afraid in our "white" communities. When I get home to my "black" community I lock my doors. A little girl was killed down the street from a stray bullet. Not by a white person with a noose, but by a black idiot on drugs who fired into a home. Whatever happened to freedom of choice to better oneself and not blame others? When a black man with a career is afraid in a black community there is something WRONG. Black men in my neighborhood beat up "smart" black people and repress any attempt to better ourselves. My street looks like many I saw in Iraq. I will play no part in blaming "White America", who were not alive in the 17th century when our black brothers from the Zulu tribe sold us to the Portugeuse.... NOT the Americans. And yes, I'm a descendant of slaves....like every race and person on this planet. Slavery is not owned by us blacks. The Romans did it. The Vikings did it. The Chinese did it. Everyone, every Nation, at one point or another has been a slave before. Just my two cents. Get an education. Peace and love. J
dbrowsers
· 1 year ago
Today our brothers and sisters are faced with a choice; Either live or die with this wicked system that we all have come to be so fond of. Despite the many attempts to make progress, some of us, continually, are fraught with obstacles that seem impassible and give in to despair and defeat. With the plummeting economy and continued destruction of the social fabric of the Black Community, all across the country, due to forces beyond our control and self sabotagery, it is time that we move from a party culture to a more righteous nation. When I look at America, that is mostly what some of our people are continually caught up in, especially our young. The life of the "party, party, party" is killing our people. Many of us think that that is the only way we can survive due to the barriers and restrictions placed upon us politically. You must remember, it was White America that told us that "sex sells", thus our children are confused and are selling out.
For most of us, it is a constant struggle and many are suffering in silence, because we want better, but the collective will of the larger culture who controls how resources are allocated is not there for us. So the masses medicate on something to bear the pain. You know how politics are played. Does the ruling class truly want to share? Look at our economy and how it is structured. Can we really say that they have played fair even when we have gone to their schools, worshipped in their churches, paid our taxes and tried to participate without prejudice, only to drive back home to our ghettos, barrios and suburbs wishing that things would change for the better. This sadness is handed down to our children and grips some of us with fear. So what, they enact laws to oppress us still, they can't kill a spirit, but the soul will come back to life in due season. We need to re-educate ourselves people and return to God!
Americans are delusional, struck with a sad case of racism that is exacerbated by alcoholism, sorcery (drugs and narcotics) and tobacco lung, coupled with selfishness and greed, which all is cultivated into a competitive and strife driven mentality that makes any reasonable chance of collective advancement impossible. As I observe the current conditions facing Black America, I can only think about how well intentioned some speak and hope that somehow we all can get it together and make this nation that we all call home, a more enjoyable place economically for those of us who want to do business and succeed without being knocked down, ripped off, slandered, blackballed, scapegoated and denied support and justice from a system that is crumbling as we speak. Our community is in dire straights, you know it, I know it and they know it. They have us fighting ourselves while promising an American Dream as the world turns upside down. And those that they allow to succeed are intoxicated and romantically enjoy a strange fruit that blinds the minds eyes while distorting the reality of truth. So they dumbdown the people and keep them in check with weapons of all sorts. Life is not valued by the few who control, nor is this gift appreciated by the masses, because we have been too busy trying to be like them. And because of this, our unity has been divided, loyalty is not valued, and integrity has completely gone out the window.
However, shining through our blinds, a ray of hope, is extended still, by a God who exacts exclusive devotion. One who loves and cares about us all. He is merciful and is willing to accept all those whom despite having departed from his way a chance to return to civility. That invitation is open! The message is sobering, but of profound importance, because the scene of this world is changing and trying to hold on to its promise is futile, but the righteous life brings true honor, rich reward and glory. God said, he would not allow the righteous to be begging for bread, but he would cause a famine to go throughout the land and maybe it would recall some of the people to their senses and they would wake-up to sobriety and recognize the error of their ways. The true prize that we were told to keep our eye on, is a gift, not by men, but from Jehovah God, who knows when we weep and how compromisingly we have been taught to speak. Soon, he will dry up the tears, after he reclaims and delivers his lost sheep. A change is coming! Wake up everybody and with one another, be at peace.
Aguy
· 1 year ago
"White in America by default"
Horribly inaccurate. Shows like this are extremely divisive. It tells other ethnic groups that the "black" experience is different and irreconcilable with the American experience. Blacks are the only group in America that have the benefit of constant excuses and explanations, which is not really a benefit. It serves to the detriment of African-Americans more than anything because it downplays personal responsibility.
An honest perspective...you know it's true.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Hello, Aguy welcome to the conversation. Accurate in my opinion.The black experience is different from the white experience as the male experience is different from the female experience.
Not at all irreconcilable IF we are willing to LISTEN to each other and not dismiss what we hear.
An honest perspective. You know it's true.
Denise
· 1 year ago
Hello All,
I agree with several of you. Watch the program first, then make a decision. If we talked as much about the negative stories and images of African Americans that we see AND did something about them, then maybe things would change.
We as a people are always complaining about someone telling "our story" or someone "helping us". My question to you is what are you doing to tell our story or to help us? What are you doing to make our story one filled with positive accomplishments and images. Have you hugged and talked to your own children today? Have you mentored a child in your community? Did you go to one PTA meeting this past school year? Have you volunteered in your community? What about visiting the local high school (or your alma mater, telling your story and encouraging the students? Many questions for all of us. It's time for us to help us.
By the way, my answer to most of the questions above is yes. I did not attend PTA meeting, my children are adults.
God bless you.
Aguy
· 1 year ago
Carmen,
Thank you for the welcome. I'm just very skeptical of this program. I am more than willing to listen, but I suspect it is the same story that we've heard ad nauseum. Countless efforts are being made to level the playing field. What more can be done? Why don't whites/asians/hispanics get a show to inform everyone of the experience of their people in America?
By the way, Asian males have recently surpassed white males as the top earners in the U.S. Logically, this makes all arguments of continuing white privilege null and void.
Just the facts. My only aim is to emphasize the importance of personal responsibility in the advancement of a people.
Carmen D.
· 1 year ago
Hey Aguy.
You say:
"Countless efforts are being made to level the playing field. What more can be done?"
If you would be so kind, would you name, say, three of those efforts, specifically?
I want to understand exactly what you mean before I respond. Thanks.
A FREE AMERICAN
· 1 year ago
THIS IS GOOD.
The Show(even it's title), Producers, and CNN have done exactly what they were set out to do.... Start conversation, self reflection, and the desire for MORE change. I appreciate the stories being told and the amount of work it took to put a segment, this in depth, together. It allows an outlet for America to see the struggle that many Blacks are put through. America would be blind towards these stories without them being aired, and the awareness/change we desire would be hard to accomplish.
I agree with Denise(above): If you desire quicker change "what can you do to help the situation".
"Change happens only when you elimininate your excuses and pursue your own interests to the fullest."
Kat
· 1 year ago
The first part was interesting. I'm looking for to the second part.
Carl L.
· 1 year ago
Carmen, My first question is was this show funded by white people? Cause I honestly feel this show was not only made to show the seperation of black men and black woman and families but also how powerful we as black people really are. But our power is constantly downsized to keep us in the position we are in by keeping the black man and the black woman seperated! Hence the two different segments...We as a race are nothing without the black man and white people realize that so what does White America Do? Throw us in Jail, prevent us from getting jobs, and stereotype us as if we are all good for nothing criminals, who are pimps, drug dealers and dont take care of our kids when that is far from the truth!!!
Cautiously Optimistic
· 1 year ago
I have to say upon viewing the commercial for the first time, I was filled with so much disgust. I feel as if CNN is exploiting the complex problems within the African American community for rating purposes. Though it "attempts" to show both sides of spectrum, much of the issues discussed are overwhelmingly negative. What does CNN attempt to accomplish in airing such a program? Because, by simply airing this program, it will not solve the array of issues plaguing the African American community. My fear is that this program will reaffirm the stereotypes held by white Americans who have long held biases toward the African American community. How can we as a people culturally & intellectually progress in society, when we are being constantly bombarded by such negatives images about a particular group of people. It only justifies biases held towards African Americans and makes it more difficult for these people to progress in society, because they have these grand labels that they must carry with them every where they go. They do not get a break from these labels, and feel enormous pressure to disprove them every minute they are awake. What kind of existence is that?
Angry Black Man
· 1 year ago
My first question, why did Soledad O'Brien get slightly defensive when Michael Eric Dyson said, that he may have had colour advantages that his darker skinned brother may not have had, hmmm....Many of our lighted skinned brothas and sistas are in denial of this notion, like white folks are in denial about racism. Secondly, why did't somebody ask why those brothas in Arkansas can't find no successful black female companions. The DA said it was a class issue....his white inlaws look like blue collar white folks to me. Maybe they should have watch segment one. Thirdly, how many WHITE FOLKS actually watched this program and took note. Ah, its the niggas bitchin again about race, POOR timing Soledad, especially when we are tryin to get OBAMA elected. I'm sorry I just found this program to be nothing more of the rehashing of the Black Misery Index.
Jaseon Outlaw
· 1 year ago
I do appreciate the broadcasting of issues related to the black community (especially on CNN) but I just feel like it was all too cliche'. How many times do we have to see the poor black people on drugd/welfare/single parents? This is painting a picture to our youth and white america that our future and present for that matter is hopeless.
They missed the ball on a fairly large sample of successful african americans who do not come from such compromised backgrounds who don't date white men/women. I applaud the light skinned brothers for their successes, but let's be honest... do they even really identify as being black? Probably when it's convenient and gets them on tv. I dislike when people say someone sounds white/black because of the words they choose. But voice tonation appears to be a better correlate and with the tones of those guys' voices... not representative of the people.
Once again, I'm glad they showed the program because it opens discussion but I just hope we can increase accuracy of representativeness in the future.
V Dwight
· 1 year ago
Shall I begin by apologizing for blogging-in with white comments on a seemingly-predominantly black site? No, don't think I'll go there because this should be an open discussion to be effective. Besides, I learned from some good black friends long ago that it's not my apologies, but my understanding, that you prefer. Programs such as this, when viewed by open-minded people, can almost always bring better understanding, even if they fail to address subjects as deeply or succinctly as many of you feel they should. Although the necessary distractions of caring for an aging/ailing parent kept me from total attention to the two segments, I was glad I paid attention to most of the post-commercial break intros to them. The young man's words, the camera-angles & the added emphasis of the graphics offered the most salient points to the entire program & should have better directed the following content of each part. When they didn't, it probably WAS the fault of too many white hands on the directing & editing. "Andre" was quite correct when he spoke to the "priviledges of being white." Few whites, if any, myself included, can ever hope to wholly understand the experience of blacks dealing with this white world unless we fully & intentionally immerse ourselves in the life as did John Howard Griffin in the 60s (white author of "Black Like Me"). We whites in America just don't get it, because we've never had to try to live within a society ruled by another race. Therefore, we've never been challenged to understand the complications our own domination causes for others. White people, for all our supposed intelligence, have never quite grasped the concept that those forced to live within our societal bounds will always know more about us than we ever will about them, even if we care to try! Our almost automatic priviledge in this country nearly guarantees that we won't even try! Our dominance breeds arrogance, which fosters ignorance, which thus produces fear, prejudice, anger & bigotry. And THEN, we're totally amazed when young blacks are bent to lives outside our understanding when faced with such attitudes! I'm not certain yet that I'll be voting for Obama this year, but I am overjoyed that we've come far enough to finally have the choice of someone besides an old white dude! We are, after all, the only major democratic nation in the world to never elect anything but! My only objections to him are his comparative inexperience in national affairs & his youthful exhuberance in calling for immediate CHANGE. With all of his intelligence, charisma & articulate speachmaking, could he REALLY convince Congress to implement such?? I also worry that he would be an almost immediate target for an unthinking assassin. Every ground-breaking President this country has ever had has been cut down in his prime... would he be yet another?? I'd rather see him lose & live to run another day!! But I have digressed, as I'm prone to do. Back to the "Black In America" discussion. Much as I hate to say it, I have to put the onus back on the black community to try to improve things in the great racial divide. Not to say that there are not a lot of whites who are willing & able to listen & perhaps understand, but we need far more "schooling" than you do. You discuss race relations on a regular basis, among yourselves. We do not, but need to. I challenge everyone out there to reach out to just one person of another race and/or religion, become honest & open with them & try to begin to understand their hearts. Just one good, honest effort can have exponential effects that could finally begin to heal a divide that is sure to defeat us if we deny it! I have been lucky in my life. I was never reared with open prejudice & have made quite a few lasting friendships with blacks over the past 40+ years. My closest ones have always been quite open about helping me understand our differences, my mere acquaintances however, have always seemed suspicious of my questions. I may never quite learn, but I'm always open to more education & I think that's one major key. Remain as open as you can to educating us. We're slow learners because of our priviledge, our arrogance, and yes, our fears. And while I think that the "Black In America" program was okay, I truly feel that several reruns of the old film "Black Like Me" would have much more impact for us white folks, as would reruns of that program from several years ago which portraid whites & blacks changing colors & living in their opposite cultures. THOSE were riveting!! They demonstrated, as nothing else can, the inherent problems, differences, cares & needs of us all... just as PEOPLE, not as blacks or whites. To this very day, no matter how much I might wish otherwise, I'm sure I still make remarks which some find offensive. I can't remember the last time I ever did that intentionally, so if many people are like me, it may simply be a matter of ignorance, not prejudice. Give us a break, give us an ear & give us some better education! 'Nuf said??
Nadine
· 1 year ago
I have a couple of questions...
Why was an entire show dedicated to the plight of Black Men when Black Women received little to no significant coverage in the 1 hour they were allotted (I assumed 1 hour black family/1 hour black woman)? There were more black men in the show about black women and families than black women.
Did anyone else notice how the wives and daughters of the black men featured on both days were completely ignored?
Why weren't the very same issues addressed for Black men not covered for black women the previous night? Apparently, all we do is walk around with HIV and birth babies...um...how did these women get HIV by the way?
How could O'Brien ignore the DEVASTATION of the COMMERCIAL NON-RAP media images of black women (MAMMIES, MAMMIES EVERYWHERE) and the fact the most casting agents are white women advancing their own deified agendas? The effects of commercial media images on black women in their day to day experiences -- struggles with African HAIR textures in this country -- Black women's BEAUTY or lack thereof according to the media -- all issues that were COMPLETELY IGNORED! ISSUES THAT IN THE PAST YEAR HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIATED BY STUDIES ON THE CORRELATION BETWEEN YOUR SHADE AND YOUR WEALTH. ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN FEATURED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES REGARDING THE BIG, BLACK, FEISTY, ANGRY, BLACK WOMAN PEPPERED THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAN CONSCIOUSNESS.ISSUES THAT EFFECT THE SOULS...THE SPIRITS OF BLACK WOMEN ON A DAILY BASIS!!! WE ARE DYING OF STRESS...CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT SOL, OR do you not identify?!?!
...and ANGRY BLACK MAN...I'M SOOOO GLAD YOU PEEPED IT. I saw an earlier clip and called all my friends to alert them of the Michael Eric Dyson segment.
Who would have "thunk" that the one and only time COMPLEXION, a HUMONGOUS, DEBILITATING issue for darker-skinned blacks in America, is brought up in a series about being Black in America only one minute before the end of the last installment ONLY TO BE SHOT DOWN BY A MISERABLE SOLEDAD WHO SAW EVEN THE IDEA OF A COLOR COMPLEX AS UNBEARABLE.
No I'm not going to just be thankful they did a show on Black folk. Soledad...I get it.
This race pimping by the privileged people of color whose struggles in the white world wore them out -- wears me out. Faux academics, black economists used as sociological experts, Charles Barkley who lost his membership years ago and the supposed black elite who have all rallied around the idea that the working poor is responsible for a revolution as opposed to every classical philosopher who knew that revolution could only come from the middle class.
I'm tired of it. Soledad should be ashamed of herself. Dyson should be pissed.
John Ricciardi
· 1 year ago
Timing is everything and I was exposed to something really wrong on Thursday in NJ. I was so glad this show was on Thursday night, because I was just five hours before that I watched a New Jersey State Trooper pull over a car on the New Jersey parkway at road sign 81.2 at appox. 11.00am that was driving normal and a spedd limit along with three other cars mine being one of them and this NJ State policeman car passes all of us by , than slows down and goes behind the front car to pull it over. I was like what did this car do we were all driving safely down the road not speeding. As I pasted the car I saw that the driver was Black, and I new that guy was pulled over because of that. I was so mad I wanted to call the 911 and complain but I didn't want to get myself targeted so I just drove on. I swear that that car was profiled and pulled over because the driver was black. I am a white american and I am so pissed that this guy was treated this way. If there was a way to contact the person and the state police and file a complain I would, on behalf of this person.
Stella
· 1 year ago
Nadine,
You are SO RIGHT re: how they only showed Black women for a mere like, 25 minutes, out of a two-hour show, ostensibly based around "Black Women & The Family." The first segment (which after close to an hour of having not seen a single black woman I figured was "The Family" edition), dealt with a single father of two (touching), and a host of other predominately featured men... but if this is about the FAMILY, where was coverage on the woman?
Ah, cut to the next segment: young black girls getting pregnant out of wedlock, Soledad's condescending questioning and "reporting", young black women with AIDS, the "alarming" statistic that more and more successful and educated black women are single (the horror!), and the black woman who married a white man and is in disagreement with him over raising their children exclusively black. That last bit really bothered me, as a multiracial Canadian myself. I mean, why have children with a WHITE MAN if you want to raise them as exclusively black instead of what they are-- mixed? But I digress.
The Black woman was severely and blatantly ignored by large, the centre of discussion as usual being about the Black man, the drug and crime epidemic, men as "leaders" in the family, and men being unable to find jobs. This was featured strongly in both programmes. Forget the Black woman-- apparently that's what CNN is telling us. She is, by and large, insignificant and forever a victim.
I can't belive how incredibly flawed this "documentary" is.
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See? Black People are normal just like you.
Let the record show that the news media cannot be trusted with our story.
the trailer looks good because it was edited.
How many Good trailers have you seen for crappy movies.
This show means nothing if you are going to continue to spend more time dealing with salacious prom dresses and 7 year old badasses who steal grammas SUV than you do with missing black women and children.
its like the make up sex in an abusive relationship.
I'm a little torn with this CNN segment. On the one hand, perhaps it should be viewed as a good sign that the MSM is opening itself up to the discussion of being black in America. Still (evidenced by some of what I saw in this clip), I suspect that this series will merely set the stage for a bunch of anecdotal "I can't catch a cab in New York" stuff which white people tend to casually dismiss; analogous to the "squeaky wheel". At best, this segment will cause people to examine race relations as they view it. But the minute the show is over (or viewers decide to change the channel to Flavor of Love or some mess), the dialogue stops.
As I always maintain, the mainstream's role in having discussions about race should not be limited to "listening" to people's tales of racial woe; though listening is no doubt important. But you and I can discuss racism until our tongues fall out without leaving so much as a dent on the psyche of most white Americans. Where the MSM can be most effective with their reporting is by engaging in tough and hard-hitting discussions about the privileges associated with being white. That's where the real attention should be focused.
Sincerely,
The Sauda Voice
http://www.thesaudavoice.com
These shows may not produce any colossal returns, but at least it shows that they are doing something. So, watch, discuss, and then find ways to further the cause.
God Bless You ALL.
We do live in a world of color and that's what we tend to focus on. Yes, there will always be racism but I'm hoping that I said something to touch someone's heart to change. We all need to do our part to make a change and if there is no change keep trying.
I also don't feel that this is just for white America. It's for those dads that walk out on their kids and leave the mother to raise a man or in my case 3 men. I can only teach them so much and hope what I tell them sticks. I thank God because my oldest just graduated and off to the Navy...his choice. Not all parents have the support that I have.
I am anxious to see how everything turned out and what others had to say in this segment. So, my word to each and everyone that lays eyes on this is to put God first and you cannot loose.
http://originalblackbuddha.blogspot.com/2008/07...
I have two sincere questions for you Annoyed, what would your preferred title be for this series? And how do you define "racism" specifically?
Hogwash -- America's TV programs are hyper-diversified as it is. Only 1.6 of every 10 people you see on TV should be black -- that is if equality of representation is actually what the black community wants.
For representing only 16% of the population of America, the African American Community sure knows how to make a scene.
Celebrate your history, but don't expect a member of your community to be the star of every show... frankly CNN might as well be BET these days. Take at look at the over-representation of African American anchors -- and of course, the ever present whiney view points of Roland Martin.
American Blacks have plateaued as a people, 85% up the mountain – America took away, then gave back that 85%, the rest is completely up to you.
Most are definetley white.
Why do I feel like I am allways seeing african americans on CNN then??
Maybe I need to look at that question myself.
WHY THE SPLIT BETWEEN “the Black man” and “the Black woman and family”. This intentionally or unintentionally sends out a POWERFUL IMPRESSION that the role of the father is of little significance and importance. Yet, the lack of fathers in the U.S's black culture (American & Hispanic) is a MAJOR contributor to the crisis so many thousands of children are suffering from as a result. "Hollyweird" and the news media deliberately continue to downgrade the image of fathers. How many tv shows today depict the male head of a household (black or white) as a bufoonish, mentally weak man with a wife or girlfriend that does the thinking for him? People, that's not by accident. Our children quickly pick up on this, sad to say. The good black or hispanic man is seldom recognized today by the media, plain and simple.
(the Black man apparently not being a part of the Black family — WTF?!)
Why should Obama choose anyone else but a Black Man for Vice President? White men have had their day and they screwed the world over. It is time for someone other than them to rule. Somewhere I read, that, ” the first shall be last and the last shall be first.”
If Obama cannot see the forest for the trees, then who will lead us out of this economic bondage? We know that Jehovah’s Kingdom is near, but there is time to kill until then! What do we do, put our trust in Obama and hope that he can persuade his IVY LEAGUE COLLEAGUES to open up fair access to capital & credit? Do we ask Obama to visit all of the prisons and give a speech on responsibility to the brothers incarcerated? Will he chastise the NAZI’S who run America’s law enforcement agencies? What can he really do?
I think Obama knows that his limitations on helping us will keep us fully from enjoying the American Dream, so he has to show White America that he is somehow different than your average brother in the soup kitchen or unemployment line. As quiet as it has been kept, many brothers with P.H.D.’s and Master’s degrees have found themselves in dire straits from time to time, due to no fault of their own. Come to think of it, did Obama ever earn six or seven figures while working as a lawyer before he engaged himself in the political arena?
America has uplifted the Black Woman after she proved that she was worthy. She has earned more higher degrees in America’s Universities and Colleges than any race in the last 15 years. And now the sinister forces are stealing what she has earned with mortgage fraud. Yet, the brothers are left holding a bag of crumbs and many are well educated with knowledge to spare!
Will Obama have the courage and “audacity” to touch this issue with a microscope? Or, will he put his nose in the air and pass us by on the street like the Crips do the Bloods? His speech at the NAACP included another quip to us poor black men, how we should own up. Ok then, let the cash flow from Congress into our hands if he is elected. Sign the blank check that Martin said was owed to us. And do it “by any means necessary”. Otherwise, Obama’s yakety yak is exactly that!
Didn’t the slaves bring down Rome?
For most of us, it is a constant struggle and many are suffering in silence, because we want better, but the collective will of the larger culture who controls how resources are allocated is not there for us. So the masses medicate on something to bear the pain. You know how politics are played. Does the ruling class truly want to share? Look at our economy and how it is structured. Can we really say that they have played fair even when we have gone to their schools, worshipped in their churches, paid our taxes and tried to participate without prejudice, only to drive back home to our ghettos, barrios and suburbs wishing that things would change for the better. This sadness is handed down to our children and grips some of us with fear. So what, they enact laws to oppress us still, they can't kill a spirit, but the soul will come back to life in due season. We need to re-educate ourselves people and return to God!
Americans are delusional, struck with a sad case of racism that is exacerbated by alcoholism, sorcery (drugs and narcotics) and tobacco lung, coupled with selfishness and greed, which all is cultivated into a competitive and strife driven mentality that makes any reasonable chance of collective advancement impossible. As I observe the current conditions facing Black America, I can only think about how well intentioned some speak and hope that somehow we all can get it together and make this nation that we all call home, a more enjoyable place economically for those of us who want to do business and succeed without being knocked down, ripped off, slandered, blackballed, scapegoated and denied support and justice from a system that is crumbling as we speak. Our community is in dire straights, you know it, I know it and they know it. They have us fighting ourselves while promising an American Dream as the world turns upside down. And those that they allow to succeed are intoxicated and romantically enjoy a strange fruit that blinds the minds eyes while distorting the reality of truth. So they dumbdown the people and keep them in check with weapons of all sorts. Life is not valued by the few who control, nor is this gift appreciated by the masses, because we have been too busy trying to be like them. And because of this, our unity has been divided, loyalty is not valued, and integrity has completely gone out the window.
However, shining through our blinds, a ray of hope, is extended still, by a God who exacts exclusive devotion. One who loves and cares about us all. He is merciful and is willing to accept all those whom despite having departed from his way a chance to return to civility. That invitation is open! The message is sobering, but of profound importance, because the scene of this world is changing and trying to hold on to its promise is futile, but the righteous life brings true honor, rich reward and glory. God said, he would not allow the righteous to be begging for bread, but he would cause a famine to go throughout the land and maybe it would recall some of the people to their senses and they would wake-up to sobriety and recognize the error of their ways. The true prize that we were told to keep our eye on, is a gift, not by men, but from Jehovah God, who knows when we weep and how compromisingly we have been taught to speak. Soon, he will dry up the tears, after he reclaims and delivers his lost sheep. A change is coming! Wake up everybody and with one another, be at peace.
Horribly inaccurate. Shows like this are extremely divisive. It tells other ethnic groups that the "black" experience is different and irreconcilable with the American experience. Blacks are the only group in America that have the benefit of constant excuses and explanations, which is not really a benefit. It serves to the detriment of African-Americans more than anything because it downplays personal responsibility.
An honest perspective...you know it's true.
Not at all irreconcilable IF we are willing to LISTEN to each other and not dismiss what we hear.
An honest perspective. You know it's true.
I agree with several of you. Watch the program first, then make a decision. If we talked as much about the negative stories and images of African Americans that we see AND did something about them, then maybe things would change.
We as a people are always complaining about someone telling "our story" or someone "helping us". My question to you is what are you doing to tell our story or to help us? What are you doing to make our story one filled with positive accomplishments and images. Have you hugged and talked to your own children today? Have you mentored a child in your community? Did you go to one PTA meeting this past school year? Have you volunteered in your community? What about visiting the local high school (or your alma mater, telling your story and encouraging the students? Many questions for all of us. It's time for us to help us.
By the way, my answer to most of the questions above is yes. I did not attend PTA meeting, my children are adults.
God bless you.
Thank you for the welcome. I'm just very skeptical of this program. I am more than willing to listen, but I suspect it is the same story that we've heard ad nauseum. Countless efforts are being made to level the playing field. What more can be done? Why don't whites/asians/hispanics get a show to inform everyone of the experience of their people in America?
By the way, Asian males have recently surpassed white males as the top earners in the U.S. Logically, this makes all arguments of continuing white privilege null and void.
Just the facts. My only aim is to emphasize the importance of personal responsibility in the advancement of a people.
You say:
"Countless efforts are being made to level the playing field. What more can be done?"
If you would be so kind, would you name, say, three of those efforts, specifically?
I want to understand exactly what you mean before I respond. Thanks.
The Show(even it's title), Producers, and CNN have done exactly what they were set out to do.... Start conversation, self reflection, and the desire for MORE change. I appreciate the stories being told and the amount of work it took to put a segment, this in depth, together. It allows an outlet for America to see the struggle that many Blacks are put through. America would be blind towards these stories without them being aired, and the awareness/change we desire would be hard to accomplish.
I agree with Denise(above): If you desire quicker change "what can you do to help the situation".
"Change happens only when you elimininate your excuses and pursue your own interests to the fullest."
Secondly, why did't somebody ask why those brothas in Arkansas can't find no successful black female companions. The DA said it was a class issue....his white inlaws look like blue collar white folks to me. Maybe they should have watch segment one.
Thirdly, how many WHITE FOLKS actually watched this program and took note. Ah, its the niggas bitchin again about race, POOR timing Soledad, especially when we are tryin to get OBAMA elected.
I'm sorry I just found this program to be nothing more of the rehashing of the Black Misery Index.
They missed the ball on a fairly large sample of successful african americans who do not come from such compromised backgrounds who don't date white men/women. I applaud the light skinned brothers for their successes, but let's be honest... do they even really identify as being black? Probably when it's convenient and gets them on tv. I dislike when people say someone sounds white/black because of the words they choose. But voice tonation appears to be a better correlate and with the tones of those guys' voices... not representative of the people.
Once again, I'm glad they showed the program because it opens discussion but I just hope we can increase accuracy of representativeness in the future.
Programs such as this, when viewed by open-minded people, can almost always bring better understanding, even if they fail to address subjects as deeply or succinctly as many of you feel they should. Although the necessary distractions of caring for an aging/ailing parent kept me from total attention to the two segments, I was glad I paid attention to most of the post-commercial break intros to them. The young man's words, the camera-angles & the added emphasis of the graphics offered the most salient points to the entire program & should have better directed the following content of each part. When they didn't, it probably WAS the fault of too many white hands on the directing & editing.
"Andre" was quite correct when he spoke to the "priviledges of being white." Few whites, if any, myself included, can ever hope to wholly understand the experience of blacks dealing with this white world unless we fully & intentionally immerse ourselves in the life as did John Howard Griffin in the 60s (white author of "Black Like Me"). We whites in America just don't get it, because we've never had to try to live within a society ruled by another race. Therefore, we've never been challenged to understand the complications our own domination causes for others. White people, for all our supposed intelligence, have never quite grasped the concept that those forced to live within our societal bounds will always know more about us than we ever will about them, even if we care to try! Our almost automatic priviledge in this country nearly guarantees that we won't even try! Our dominance breeds arrogance, which fosters ignorance, which thus produces fear, prejudice, anger & bigotry. And THEN, we're totally amazed when young blacks are bent to lives outside our understanding when faced with such attitudes!
I'm not certain yet that I'll be voting for Obama this year, but I am overjoyed that we've come far enough to finally have the choice of someone besides an old white dude! We are, after all, the only major democratic nation in the world to never elect anything but! My only objections to him are his comparative inexperience in national affairs & his youthful exhuberance in calling for immediate CHANGE. With all of his intelligence, charisma & articulate speachmaking, could he REALLY convince Congress to implement such?? I also worry that he would be an almost immediate target for an unthinking assassin. Every ground-breaking President this country has ever had has been cut down in his prime... would he be yet another?? I'd rather see him lose & live to run another day!!
But I have digressed, as I'm prone to do. Back to the "Black In America" discussion. Much as I hate to say it, I have to put the onus back on the black community to try to improve things in the great racial divide. Not to say that there are not a lot of whites who are willing & able to listen & perhaps understand, but we need far more "schooling" than you do. You discuss race relations on a regular basis, among yourselves. We do not, but need to. I challenge everyone out there to reach out to just one person of another race and/or religion, become honest & open with them & try to begin to understand their hearts. Just one good, honest effort can have exponential effects that could finally begin to heal a divide that is sure to defeat us if we deny it!
I have been lucky in my life. I was never reared with open prejudice & have made quite a few lasting friendships with blacks over the past 40+ years. My closest ones have always been quite open about helping me understand our differences, my mere acquaintances however, have always seemed suspicious of my questions. I may never quite learn, but I'm always open to more education & I think that's one major key.
Remain as open as you can to educating us. We're slow learners because of our priviledge, our arrogance, and yes, our fears. And while I think that the "Black In America" program was okay, I truly feel that several reruns of the old film "Black Like Me" would have much more impact for us white folks, as would reruns of that program from several years ago which portraid whites & blacks changing colors & living in their opposite cultures. THOSE were riveting!! They demonstrated, as nothing else can, the inherent problems, differences, cares & needs of us all... just as PEOPLE, not as blacks or whites.
To this very day, no matter how much I might wish otherwise, I'm sure I still make remarks which some find offensive. I can't remember the last time I ever did that intentionally, so if many people are like me, it may simply be a matter of ignorance, not prejudice. Give us a break, give us an ear & give us some better education!
'Nuf said??
Why was an entire show dedicated to the plight of Black Men when Black Women received little to no significant coverage in the 1 hour they were allotted (I assumed 1 hour black family/1 hour black woman)? There were more black men in the show about black women and families than black women.
Did anyone else notice how the wives and daughters of the black men featured on both days were completely ignored?
Why weren't the very same issues addressed for Black men not covered for black women the previous night? Apparently, all we do is walk around with HIV and birth babies...um...how did these women get HIV by the way?
How could O'Brien ignore the DEVASTATION of the COMMERCIAL NON-RAP media images of black women (MAMMIES, MAMMIES EVERYWHERE) and the fact the most casting agents are white women advancing their own deified agendas? The effects of commercial media images on black women in their day to day experiences -- struggles with African HAIR textures in this country -- Black women's BEAUTY or lack thereof according to the media -- all issues that were COMPLETELY IGNORED! ISSUES THAT IN THE PAST YEAR HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIATED BY STUDIES ON THE CORRELATION BETWEEN YOUR SHADE AND YOUR WEALTH. ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN FEATURED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES REGARDING THE BIG, BLACK, FEISTY, ANGRY, BLACK WOMAN PEPPERED THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAN CONSCIOUSNESS.ISSUES THAT EFFECT THE SOULS...THE SPIRITS OF BLACK WOMEN ON A DAILY BASIS!!! WE ARE DYING OF STRESS...CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT SOL, OR do you not identify?!?!
...and ANGRY BLACK MAN...I'M SOOOO GLAD YOU PEEPED IT. I saw an earlier clip and called all my friends to alert them of the Michael Eric Dyson segment.
Who would have "thunk" that the one and only time COMPLEXION, a HUMONGOUS, DEBILITATING issue for darker-skinned blacks in America, is brought up in a series about being Black in America only one minute before the end of the last installment ONLY TO BE SHOT DOWN BY A MISERABLE SOLEDAD WHO SAW EVEN THE IDEA OF A COLOR COMPLEX AS UNBEARABLE.
No I'm not going to just be thankful they did a show on Black folk. Soledad...I get it.
This race pimping by the privileged people of color whose struggles in the white world wore them out -- wears me out. Faux academics, black economists used as sociological experts, Charles Barkley who lost his membership years ago and the supposed black elite who have all rallied around the idea that the working poor is responsible for a revolution as opposed to every classical philosopher who knew that revolution could only come from the middle class.
I'm tired of it. Soledad should be ashamed of herself. Dyson should be pissed.
I swear that that car was profiled and pulled over because the driver was black. I am a white american and I am so pissed that this guy was treated this way.
If there was a way to contact the person and the state police and file a complain I would, on behalf of this person.
You are SO RIGHT re: how they only showed Black women for a mere like, 25 minutes, out of a two-hour show, ostensibly based around "Black Women & The Family." The first segment (which after close to an hour of having not seen a single black woman I figured was "The Family" edition), dealt with a single father of two (touching), and a host of other predominately featured men... but if this is about the FAMILY, where was coverage on the woman?
Ah, cut to the next segment: young black girls getting pregnant out of wedlock, Soledad's condescending questioning and "reporting", young black women with AIDS, the "alarming" statistic that more and more successful and educated black women are single (the horror!), and the black woman who married a white man and is in disagreement with him over raising their children exclusively black. That last bit really bothered me, as a multiracial Canadian myself. I mean, why have children with a WHITE MAN if you want to raise them as exclusively black instead of what they are-- mixed? But I digress.
The Black woman was severely and blatantly ignored by large, the centre of discussion as usual being about the Black man, the drug and crime epidemic, men as "leaders" in the family, and men being unable to find jobs. This was featured strongly in both programmes. Forget the Black woman-- apparently that's what CNN is telling us. She is, by and large, insignificant and forever a victim.
I can't belive how incredibly flawed this "documentary" is.